the qfr in the wt for july 1 1957 (pages 414-415) cites pages 218 and 219 of the chaos of cults by jan karel van baalen.
could someone please provide me with a scan of those pages?
doug
Sorry, but I don't have a scanner, but I shall post the two pages out to you today. If you need more just let me know.
I am not sure what the original context is in the WT magazine, but the pages they cite deal with the Mormon Church and their views on three subjects: Angels, Baptism, and The Lord's Supper.
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would someone please verify and explain the following wts theocratic arrangement for me.
it is my understanding that the fds is made up of all members of the anointed who are on earth (wt march 1,2004 page 10 par.
9), and that this fds class is represented on earth by the governing body.
Hi, Doug. According to the WTS definition of the FDS, the thing to remember is that they are made up of all the "anointed" who are on earth at any one moment in time. That last phrase becomes important when you get close to definitions. Remember Paul? Yep. Well he was "anointed" so he was part of the FDS. But, and this becomes a big but - he is not of the FDS now!! He's not on earth anymore see? The same goes for all those of the "anointed" who have passed on. They were, as long as they were alive, part of the FDS, but they no longer fulfill that esteemed role. Presumably they are all contemplating their collective navels right now up there in heaven, and according to the Revelation Climax, though they are deceased, and the Bible forbids communication with the dead, the present day FDS get many "truths" from their mates who have passed on.
The relationship between the "anointed" and the GB is a checkered one. Technically, these "anointed" ones get together in quorum and "elect" the various members of the GB, to lead them. In practice this is an empty sham. The GB is a self perpetuating organism which arbitrarily decides to choose any whom they want among their ranks. Naturally they only pick the die hard company men.
The original view was that "Jehovah" communicated his truths to Christ who then through "holy spirit" somehow conveyed these to the "anointed" When that drunken lout Rutherford came along, he decided that the end was so near, that the "holy spirit" had ceased to function. Now it was "angelic beings" who did the conveyance. To Rutherford only. Evidently the "anointed" were left out of the loop. With his passing this humbug was discarded and the original view renewed. With no clarification, or any acknowledgment that any change had occurred.
The finer points and the mechanics of how all the plumbing works has never been detailed, and the R&F are simply too somnolent to make inquiries. The polite fiction simply carries on. Unchallenged.
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rare books by john h. paton--pdfs!
here are some rare books by "john h. paton" which (day dawn), were books that charles russell based his "millennial dawn" books on, and some other books by paton.
click the (yellow) download button at the bottom left of the next page of the (filesend) links.
Great work, Atlantis!! These are truly historic gems.
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the king of the north and the king of the south.
the last time i paid attention it was russian and usa.
what do they teach now?
This is the latest position of the "Prophets of god" as found in their book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" page281:
"Who will be this king when Dan11:44 is fulfilled?Will he be identified with one of the countries that were once part of the former Soviet Union? Or will he change his identity entirely as he has done a number of times already? Will the development of nuclear weapons by additional nations result in a new arms race and have a bearing on the identity of that king? "Only time will provide answers to these questions. We are wise not to speculate"
Strange that jehoover should leave his "prophets" out of the loop on so vital a subject as our future. In fact he DID at one time reveal who this king was, and there was NO need for his prophets to "speculate" - wisely or otherwise. In fact the prideful boast of the WTS was that "god" DID reveal his secrets to his servants the prophets, but now? They are left, not to the revelation of "god" but to time. Check the newspapers. Here is where the WTS will find this identity. They will then pompously trump up the idea that "god" revealed this to them!!!
But in that case we are all prophets of "god" since we all read the newspapers.
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Thanks a lot for your well written and objective report. You did not intrude into the commentary by inserting your own conclusions, leaving us to decide this for ourselves.
Great work.
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Yes.
Remember that there are two editions of the KIT. The first was published in 1969, and is now out of print. The second edition was released in 1985 and is still available, though difficult to obtain. The English text of the KIT 2 is the same as the NWT which is available on-line and on the WT CD.
The 1984/85 edition of the NWT is now the official standardized version, since with the death of Milton Henschell all the former members of the original Translation Committee of 1950 are now deceased. This naturally means that no further revisions can be made.
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watchtower bible and tract society - jehovah's witnesses watchtower publications - 1879 to 1949 .
check out this link boys and girls..... .
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3539484/watchtower_bible_and_tract_society_-_jehovah_s_witnesses_-_wa
Sorry, MA but there seems to be a language problem. The site appears to be originally German, and the instructions are unintelligible. The pdf files for the various magazines are visible but do not appear to be downloadable. In other words you can't click 'em.
Is there some magic wand needed to untangle this?
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come be my follower!--pdf--2007--(searchable, approx 23mb) (credit goes to: "two anonymous jwders") click the link below and when the next page appears scroll down and look to your left for these words: (download description education), the download link will appear under those words when the (seconds) count down to zero.
http://www.verzend.be/v/4136217/2007_come_be_my_follower_searchable_.pdf.html another download link: click the link below and when the next page appears scroll down until you see a (green box), counting seconds down to zero.
then click that (green box) when you see the words (download file) http://www.megaphile.com/file/9693/2007---come-be-my-follower--searchable--pdf.html cheers!
Thanks for the hard work as usual, Atlantis. We have the book before many in Australia have!!
Who sez we ain't organized then ?
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i'm going through chemo right now , just had no.
3 of 4 treatments, i would like to talk to others who have or know someone who has.. had started to lose hair on day 15, mostly day 3,4,and 5 after treatments i ache like a bad case of flu and have to stay in bed don't even feel much like tv.
the meds keep away the neasua, very fatigued.. i know there are others that have it alot worse then me, so i'm not complaining just want to know if anyone else would like to talk about it..
As a consequence of being diagnosed with bowel cancer in 1996 aged 54, I had to undergo a six month chemotherapy session. I had to wait for 16 weeks after the operation itself when my descending colon was removed. The session ran for ten days each month, divided into two five day sessions. In the first week I had the sessions Mon-Fri when the chemical "cocktail" was injected into my arms through a vein in wrist. The second week I had off, and the third week saw a repeat performance, with the next again being free.
This carried on for six months, with two somewhat different reactions than yours. For different cancers they use different chemical combinations or "cocktails" and mine was a combination that did not cause any hair loss [not that that is of any use to me since I'm pretty bald meself] however the reactions were uncomfortable enough nonetheless. First it caused a discoloration of my skin. The left side of my face for instance got deeply tanned [that was the side I was injected - the left wrist] while my right side was not. It gave me the odd look of a person who had fallen asleep on the beach on one side. This was explained in terms of the chemical, while traveling through the very fine capillaries in the face, leaving behind this coloration. Why it only effected one side was unknown.
There was also an unbearable drying up of the skin, especially in those areas of the armpits and the crotch. I had this agonizing feeling that I was wearing underpants at least four sizes too small. Oddly enough, applying creams and lotions were no help, since the problem was internal. The solution was to have a diet that was rich in agents that provided a counterbalance to the chemicals that had effected the internal moisture sacs. Like yogurt.
The good thing about this treatment, severe as it is while it goes on, is that these reactions disappear immediately on the termination of the treatment. The hair for instance grows back the minute the chemo terminates.
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i was raised as a witness and have been miserable for my entire existence.
i have hated every moment of it.
after about 10 years of struggling, i decided 2 years ago that i was done w/ the charade and wasn't going to return to the meetings.
Hi, SF and welcome to JWD. You have possibly taken, with the sole exception of a marriage vow, the most important step in your young life. It takes courage, resolution and a strong sense of awareness to make a decision such as leaving one's religion on grounds of personal conviction. There will be no going back, for what has been done will engender permanent emotional and psychological tremors in the deepest part of your psyche, which will last for as long as memory itself does. But it is for the good, for now, having discovered an awful truth about religions that promise so much but give nothing, you can benefit from an enhanced sense of maturity, that will characterize the rest of your life.
Go forward into the new dawn, for there is one waiting to unfurl, and rejoice in the unfettered freedom that life affords. You have begun to live anew, ennobled by your experiences, and your contributions to the world's stage awaits you. As does JWD. You have new friends here, raucous perhaps, but, who like you also have come to experience liberty in free expression. Here thinking is allowed, so think aloud. Not just your voice but your mind is welcome.
Be not harsh on your sister. Many cannot see the restrictive bonds that the WTS puts in place. In order for repression to succeed it must have a phalanx of deceptive order, as if marching tirelessly in step, for good or ill, is a portend of religious fellowship. Those such as she have been encouraged by the monstrous leadership of this system, to have this almost superstitious conviction that a malevolent fate, invested with divine wrath, awaits one who defects.
Rather await the day that her own eyes may be opened.
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